Secret ballot may have broken state law
The Faculty Senate may have violated the Kansas Open Meetings Act when it voted by secret ballot on Tuesday to change the university’s General Education requirements.
The ballots were destroyed after the 17-10 vote was tallied.
“If the faculty senate is acting as an advisory board, by giving recommendations to an executive, then their actions should be subject to the open meetings law and the open records law,” said Adam Goldstein, an attorney advocate for the Student Press Law Center in Arlington, Va. “If they resort to a secret ballot, and then destroy the ballots, one or both of the following would seem to be true: they have violated the open records law by shredding the ballots, or they have violated the open meetings law by conducting a secret ballot in the first place. In any case, it certainly frustrates the purpose of the open government laws to attempt to circumvent public knowledge of votes, and someone's arbitrary rules of conduct are a poor replacement for the law.”
The senate voted to suspend its own constitution for the duration of the meeting to allow the secret ballot.
Kevin Coulson, associate professor of business administration and education, made a motion for the secret ballot. But Harvey Foyle, professor of instructional design and technology and president of the Faculty Senate, later said he had already been thinking about using a secret ballot.
“I’d been announcing we were going to be doing a secret ballot and then I found out that our constitution does not allow a secret ballot-- that’s what our parliamentarian informed me of,” Foyle said. “And so they, apart from me, they brought up the motion of a secret ballot. I had already planted that, that’s the way I wanted to do it…He [Kevin Coulson] did what he did to make it appropriate.”
The Kansas Open Meetings Act (KOMA) says that all public bodies and subdivisions “shall be open to the public and no binding action by such bodies shall be by secret ballot.”
The Senate voted 24-4 in favor of the secret ballot. The names of the four who voted against were not recorded in the senate minutes.
“We maintain the number of votes, pros, cons, abstentions,” said Amy Sage Webb, associate professor of English and first vice-president of the senate. “We don’t keep a tally of who voted. That’s not the way the senate is working. It’s not against the rules to do it one way or another.”
When asked if the senators believed they were under the jurisdiction of the KOMA and if they had discussed the Act, Webb replied yes.
“Kansas Open Meetings Law is something that we are always aware of by posting our agendas in advance so that people can know what’s on the agenda,” Webb said. “We post our meetings on the web and anybody can come to the senate. We feel that this is the way we are in compliance.”
At the time of the meeting, Gary Holcomb, associate professor of English, expressed concern over a having a secret ballot. Later, Holcomb said in an email “It was just a question about a point of order. I’ll probably ask the president about it. But it’s not an issue.”
Coulson said he did not consider the ballots used during the meeting as secretive.
“It’s not a secret,” Coulson said. “It’s a clearly allowed procedure…The idea came out in Senate Executive Committee. The concern was there was a minority group on campus pressuring the people to vote in the minority group’s interest to the disadvantage of everybody else on campus. To avoid that pressure… I came up with the idea.”
Coulson did not identify the minority groups.
“Any body that operates under a legislative body is usually under Robert’s Rules of Order in addition to the bylaws of their organization,” Coulson said.
Although Robert’s Rules of Order may apply to the senate, so might the Kansas Open Meetings Act said a representative of a state press group.
“They may choose to follow the Robert’s Rules of Order, but those don’t trump the Kansas Open Meetings Act statute,” said Mike Merriam, attorney for the Kansas Press Association.
The Bulletin contacted the Kansas Attorney General’s Office and was referred to the Lyon County prosecutor. John Marcus Goodman, the county prosecutor, said he planned on calling the attorney general’s office on Thursday to request more information.
“As to a Faculty Senate, I cannot find an opinion on point,” said Goodman. “It doesn’t mean it is not subject to it, but it also doesn’t mean it is subject to it either.”
Foyle did not know if the Faculty Senate was governed by KOMA. He did say, however, that all meetings were open by policy.
According to Foyle, the ballots were destroyed. When questioned about whether there was proof of the voting count, Foyle replied that the three people who observed the ballots were his proof. He also did not know if the Faculty Senate was governed by the Kansas Open Records Act.
“Under the rule and regulations of the Kansas Board of Regents which is governed by the State of Kansas, we follow the law and the regulations and the rules,” Foyle said. “Whatever those are, we follow them. If we violated them, we have to follow them.”
Foyle said he would need to ask the university lawyer if the senate was under KOMA. He also stated that the president and vice presidents of the university should also know if the senate was under KOMA.
University Counsel Tracy Greene declined an interview.
Through an assistant, Greene said she would only speak to The Bulletin if both the previous Faculty Senate president and a current member of the senate were spoken to first. It is the general policy of The Bulletin to not negotiate conditions for interviews.
“If we are in violation, which I can’t say we are…we will definitely re-hold the vote that’s to be in compliance,” Foyle said. “If we’re not in violation, then we won’t do anything different. If we are covered by the Open Meetings Act, this is not stated in our constitution, and I will ask our Faculty Senate Executive to draft a bill sometime to amend the constitution so it’s clearly stated there, so there’s no misunderstanding.”
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24 Responses to "Secret ballot may have broken state law"
April 3, 2008 1:31 am
April 3, 2008 9:13 am
Kelsey Ryan's article "Secret Ballot May Have Broken State Law" is misleading about the nature of my comment, and I request the Bulletin clarify this point. By leaving out the fact that Ryan contacted me asking how I "feel about the possibility that the secret vote . . . could be [a violation of] the Kansas Open Meetings Act and thereby illegal," the article gives the impression that I contacted the Bulletin to make a statement. I urge it be made clear that I didn't contact the Bulletin but was contacted, and my response to both the initial and follow-up e-mail messages was that I didn't believe a violation had taken place. My second message said that I was satisfied President Foyle handled the meeting correctly, a comment that did not appear in the article. I reiterate that whether someone believes that the Faculty Senate's use of a secret ballot procedure in this case was some kind of violation, President Foyle acted in my view responsibly. My understanding is that President Foyle was being mindful of the limited amount of time Senate had during a meeting that was compelled to entertain much discussion of a complex issue. I sympathize with those who are critical of the new General Education requirements, but don't believe that making an accusation of this kind is an appropriate course to take. Finally, the article is not clear about who is making the accusation that the secret vote could be construed as a violation of the Kansas Open Meetings Act and therefore illegal. I'm sure that the Bulletin will generate a follow-up article, and request that the author(s) identify the source of this accusation.
April 3, 2008 9:23 am
April 3, 2008 9:26 am
April 3, 2008 12:52 pm
I say good job to the reporters who broke this, because it does seem that secret ballots were illegal in this case, and even the people involved didn't realize it.
April 3, 2008 1:52 pm
April 3, 2008 2:31 pm
Besides the questions of legality surrounding this vote, it really says something about the members of the Senate Faculty that they care enough about this proposal to NOT publicly stand by their individual decisions. If you're not willing to put yourself on the line, don't cheapen my degree.
April 3, 2008 4:37 pm
April 3, 2008 4:55 pm
April 3, 2008 5:01 pm
It is not going to be easy to determine if the KOMA applies to this group - which is the main issue. Because if the KOMA does not mandatorily apply, there is no violation of that law.
Normally, just because a group of people work for the government does not mean the group's meetings are mandatorily subject to the KOMA (for example city staff meetings are not open).
If the group IS subject to the KOMA, the way this vote was done is not OK.
But the big unanswered question is whether the KOMA rules mandatorily apply to this group.
Read the outline and see what you think.
April 3, 2008 5:25 pm
April 4, 2008 12:09 am
April 4, 2008 8:31 am
April 4, 2008 8:33 am
April 4, 2008 10:26 am
April 4, 2008 11:40 am
April 4, 2008 12:56 pm
http://www.ksag.org/files/shared/KOMA.pdf
It's pretty explicit and easy to read, and it is pretty obvious that these groups are included under KOMA. Specifically note the following concerning "subordinate groups":
C. Subordinate Groups Subject to the KOMA--All subordinate groups, such as
boards, commissions, authorities, councils, committees, subcommittees are
covered by act if:
1. The subordinate group meets funding test if the parent or controlling body
meets funding test.
2. Appointed by parent body to weigh options, discuss alternatives, present
recommendations or a plan of action.
a. It is the nature of the group, not its designation, which determines
if it is subject to the KOMA.
April 4, 2008 1:00 pm
"The act is interpreted liberally and exceptions narrowly construed to carry out the purpose of the law."
April 4, 2008 2:36 pm
April 4, 2008 4:28 pm
April 4, 2008 5:30 pm
And while ASG surely isn't purposefully violating the law...in light of this article, it seems very possible that if they do use secret ballots, they are violating the law unintentionally.
April 4, 2008 6:50 pm
I believe the county prosecutor is looking into the possible violation of the law(s).
I hope that people realize this article was not written in opposition to the gen ed changes, it was simply raising an important possibility.
Besides, if the vote does end up staying the same, President Lane has to sign it before it becomes effective.
April 9, 2008 11:46 am
April 12, 2008 9:18 pm
Throw the rascals out--even a community college would be too good for most of them. And don't even get me started on that piss poor example of an attorney that sits and collects dust all day while her only client, ESU, is out breaking laws with reckless abandon. Of course she won't give and interview to the Bulletin--she's as ignorant about the law as the rest! A disgrace!
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