Striking-down of funeral protest law is good for everyone

Fred Phelps and the rest of the Westboro Baptist Church have been known for picketing outside of funerals. The state of Kansas tried to put a law forth that would prevent them from doing so.

This law was struck down according to an article published by the Associated Press. Even though the Westboro Baptist Church is disrespectful to the family and friends that attend the funerals, this law would be unconstitutional.

They have the right to picket and express their views as any other American. This law goes against their first amendment rights because it limits the church’s right to freedom of speech. I know that what the church is doing is a disrespectful way to get their point across, but they have the right to do it.

I am not condoning this church in any way. I personally think that they go about it in the wrong ways. The church has picketed outside of openly gay individual’s funerals and funerals of fallen soldiers.

This law, if passed, would have made limitations that said protests could not be held within 150 feet one hour before and one hour after a funeral. It also would have stopped protesters from blocking public streets and sidewalks.

This limitation would let friends and families say goodbye without being hounded. But this law would not have stopped them from protesting and may have made things worse.

We allow protests against wars because people feel it’s wrong or that the U.S. is fighting a war unnecessarily. So why should we be allowed to say that the Westboro Baptist Church cannot protest against what they feel is wrong?

If we say that they can not protest what they think is wrong, then others should not be able protest against something they feel is wrong. We can not take away one group’s rights without looking at others who participate in similar activities.

A way to stop them that would not be against their first amendment rights would be for the press not to give them coverage when they protest. They love to be in the news because they think it helps get their views out there. So if the press does not give them the coverage, they might go away. Of course, it may not work, but taking away their right to protest may not make things better either. They’ll just find some other way to get their views out there.

Again, I’m not condoning their views and the ways they express them, but I do think it’s against their first amendment rights to say they can not express them. They are Americans and should have the same rights to freedom of speech as the rest of us.

43 Responses to "Striking-down of funeral protest law is good for everyone"


Shirley Phelps-Roper
March 15, 2008 8:07 am
This person Jeremy Michelbook is ashamed of God and his words in this adulterous and sinful generation and that is why he hits home the point that he does not "condone" our view. FINE!! He can explain that to God in the Day of Judgment! However - he is spot on in his analysis except in ONE respect. We are NOT about the business of opening the doors of utterance, our God does that. You are dead wrong Jeremy if you think that you or any other human controls what gets published!! Our God does that. For 17 years, we have patiently stood on the mean streets of Doomed america. EVERY DAY - more than 34,000 pickets in more than 550 cities!! EVERY DAY!! FOR YEARS, you called yourselves ignoring us - but you see the promise from our faithful God to his people is that BECAUSE we had a little strength and we did NOT deny his name, HE has set before us an open door and NO MAN can shut it!! So get off of that. You can begin to OBEY your God and you won't hear from us again!! BUT YOU WON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT!! So take the words and like them or shut up!! You can pass all the laws you want - if you think you have the power to shut up the Word of God from off the landscape, than you need to pass a law that says God cannot kill your children and he cannot send any more tornados and while you are at it - just pass a law that abolishes hell!! YIKES!! You freaks are in a lot of trouble and you don't even see it coming!! The Lord is on the way and he is raging mad and america is DOOMED!!

Have a lovely day!!

Shirley Phelps-Roper
Interesting.....the same soldiers who die for their right to have free speech are the same soldiers they are picketing. It would seem to me that they are asking for their free speech rights to be abolished since they will not voice support for those who die to protect it. What is it the Bible states about hypocrites?
No need to reply Shirley & clan, I already know you will tell me I am damned for eternity.
know they have the right to say what they want...but protesting the soldiers who died for their right to protest is like a slap in the face....Shame on you!
A God-Fearing - PROUD American! Ditto Kerri....
The sad part about all of this is that the WBC doesn't realize that GOD himself gave every human being Freedom of Choose! Freedom to choose God or not. So who the heck are they to infringe on God's design???

Don't even get me started on the way they choose to spread "their" version of God's mighty matchless word.

May I suggest they invest in a couple of concordances, hebrew & greek translations????

Although I see where this ruling came from, I don't agree with it. The law was not taking away their 1st amendment, it was only calling funerals OFF LIMITS. It wasn't just for the WBS - the law would have been enforced for ANY person or Group protesting at funerals. This is where I see this ruling fell short
Shirly if your so unhappy with AMERICA why don't you and your other church members move out of this country.I'm sure we won't miss you, but if you move to a third world country and they miss treat you, don't call on our armed forces to save your ass and bring you back.
The way I see it a funeral is NOT a public event, it is a private event for friends and family of the deceased as invited guests to come and pay their last respects to someone, thereby there is NO 1st ammendment right to protest.
I almost forgot God Bless Patriot Guard Riders. www.patriotguard.org
Well, they have become so insignificant at the services of those who have fallen they don't matter anymore. I personally don't care if they show or not.

In one respect they have created a lot of good from the standpoint they have united many Americans to show support to those who have lost loved ones in defense of this country.

Jeremy, I'm sure you're too young to remember it but every right, light and benefit you enjoy as an American was paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of others.

God Bless the USA and who cares about the fringe group from KS? They are the Christian equivalent of the radical Muslims.
Grieving for the loss of a loved one is something that should be protected.

Pedofiles are prohibited from living near schools, cheaters are banned from Big Time casinos, cigarettes are not sold to minors, Children are not allowed to hang out in casinos...and some places reserve the right to kick you out at their dicrestion - you know like for being a bum.

Laws are funny things, eh?

Sreaming "Tornado" in a crowed theatre...Protest all you want down at the corner, say about 500' away kinda like the distance required between a church and a bar and a school...which maybe they should all be closer, no?

Can a cemetary reserve to let bums in?

Can a funeral home out think a pack of raccoons that keeps raiding their lawn care shed?

Everybody is right - at least in part. The ones that especially echo my own thoughts are probably Kerri,Celia, Asha,Bill and Lynn. I don't know if I agree about them being the Christian equivelant to the radical muslims or not because I really haven't seen any signs that they are Christians, only that they know the Bible in part and know how to twist the Word of God into their depraved and evil message.

I even read and re-read Shirley-Phelps Roper's words several times trying to find at least some small truth in her words. I finally found something that I believe to be truth (but not necessarily in the way she said it). She said, "...you called yourselves ignoring us..." I'm afraid that's just what we've done (me too). We have only called ourselves ignoring them. If we were truly ignoring them (like we should), we (including me) wouldn't bother to post these comments, but we do.

I praise God for every soldier we have and I praise God for the blessing of being born in, and being a citizen of, the greatest country on earth - the United States of America. I do not like some of the things taking place in our country, but she is still the best of the best!!

God bless the USA.
AMERICAN SOLDIER
March 15, 2008 2:47 pm
This whole issue is disturbing to me... Seeing first hand the effects of war, being a veteran and more importantly a Christian, I sit and wonder what gives this group of people the right to picket at the funeral of my dead brothers and sisters who gave everything so they could have this right? Is it free speech, or is it a breech of peace? Regardless of what it is... Who am I to judge? As an AMERICAN SOLDIER I forgive you... I hold no hate in my heart for your ignorance... We will fight for your right to picket... As the American Soldier polices the world those who die with honor are disrespected... DISGUSTING... PGR, THANK YOU! AMERICA THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT! Phelps family and congregation I encourage others to pray for you as I do...

If the IED was detonated in your church would it be GOD SENT?

AMERICAN SOLDIER OUT
ok kids. I agree with the Phelps group's right to protest anything they want, however, and I underline that, a funeral for anyone is a private affair and should not be disturbed by protesters of any kind. There are a lot of PGR members upset with their kind of thinking, me for one of them. They can bring their congregation and stupid attitudes and keep them down the street, away from the funerals. Yes, Shirley, I am a "Scooter Sissy" and will be in your way. I totally disagree with your "Christian attitude".
Found it, here's what the new testament has to say
March 15, 2008 4:37 pm
Matthew 23:28
In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
The Patriot Guard will continue to ride and protect!
Dear Shirley Phelps-Roper and family

Many times I have stood between you and the family of a soldier that died for your "FREEDOM" to protest.

I will continue to do so.

KANSAS PATRIOT GUARD
PATRIOT GUARD RIDERS
Right, they have the right to protest and free speech. However, I rank this in the same context as shouting "FIRE" in a theatre..... It is illegal to do that, why not illegal to protest AT the funeral.... The new law would not allow them to protest an hour before and an hour after a funeral.... They dont' like this because then everyone would be gone.. That is the jest of the whole thing.
I wrote an esay a year or so ago to post in the paper and didn't do so. A short version is to say thanks to the WBC. Not for what they do, I find that as outragous as anyone else does, but because of their actions the Patriot Guard was formed. I like many belong to the Guard and could care less if the WBC shows or not. Their actions made me realize that I needed to show my support to the family, friends and memory of fallen soldiers. I cannot possibly understand how the WBC can connect the death of a young man or woman to their vile signs and chants. I do know because of them thousand of people in American now show support that other wise would have been complacent. I just hope we all continue to show thanks and support for our troops past and present.
The First ammendent gives you the right to yell fire in a crowded building, but if someone gets hurt running for the exit, you are responsible for their suffering. God's law always overrides man's law. Long live the PGR! I hear the Phelps family is going to have one hell of a bait store along the river Styx.
Does this give us a legal way to protest at any of the funerals of wbc members?
To "American soldier" and "Shot" Thanks for saying it as well as it can be said.
I cant understand why the W.B.C. cant direct thier efforts to the social issue that burden so many Americans here at home daily. Never had the privaledge of serving, But thank god and each of you who did for doing so.
Michlebook rather missed the mark.
Perhaps the proposed legislation missed the mark as well.
So, I say to the lawmakers, re-think your approach. Other legislation has withstood the test and has been successfully passed into law without being deemed unconstitutional.
Be that as it may, NO one should be permitted to interfere with a solemn ceremony in which the deceased.. in this case, some of our brave heroes.. are being honored.
Unless and until the law of the land prevents Phelps and his gang of demented thugs from disrespecting people and THEIR rights, we should do all we can to do so ourselves.
I will.
Richard - Patriot Guard Rider
Standing for those who Stood for Us.
Jeremy,first it's not a church it's a family cult.Second a funeral is a PRIVATE affair and if they are not invited they should be FORCEFULLY REMOVED and arrested for interfering with a private affair.The Guard does not go unless invited. Proud member of the Kansas and National Patriot Guard.
Unfortunately, I don't think the courts make a distinction between a "public" or "private" event when it is being held on public property.
EXTREMELY PROUD VETERAN
March 16, 2008 9:16 pm
The reason, and the only reason that the greatest nation in the world, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is still standing is because of our servicemen and women and NOT the so-called p-----s that refuse to be a part of our great nation. If it were up to me, they would all be forced to enlist and see what a GREAT nation this is to serve and yes, maybe die for. Being a member of the AMERICAN LEGION RIDERS and PATRIOT GUARD, I will fight for their rights to serve this great nation and heaven help their souls if I ever catch up with them. P______S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What crack are you smoking WBC?
March 16, 2008 9:29 pm
Do you protest the Fire Fighters, First Responders or Paramedics that risk their lives to save yours from a burning building or car, or cut you out of a wreck or come to your rescue in a medical emergency? Do you protest the Police Officers who put their lives on the line to rescue you from a mad man with a gun to your head? Do you protest the lawyers that try to help you in putting away said mad man. Do you protest the Judge and Jury that convict the mad man to prison so he will not hurt anyone else. Or do you protest your children when they want to learn, to enrich their minds with the things that they love, to help the elderly couple down the street with their groceries, to be a role model for their younger siblings. If you do, you are a very sick group of, (I don't know if I could even consider you people)very poor excuses of the human race. WBC I'm GLAD that I don't know you. And its good to know that I'm not missing out on anything. I love my freedom and I love the Patriot Guard Riders for honoring a very special group of people. My heroes, Americas Heroes, and if You don't like it, then you can KMA mine and the rest of the USA Troops and supporters, family and friends. In God we trust!!! Do you? Or you just think you do!! God Bless Our Troops and Our Patriot Guard Riders, Standing For Those Who Stood For Us.
I think you'd be singing a different tune if your friend or loved one was subject to one of these "protests".

If you insist on making this a First Amendment issue, you may want to familiarize yourself with the fighting words doctrine. It states, "There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality." This was enacted in response to another religious zealot, by the way.

This cult has been playing the religion card for years. It's time for them to stop exploiting the freedoms that you and I enjoy.
This group of nutcases goes out of it's way to incite people so that they can turn around and sue people that attack them. They stand on and drag the American Flag through the mud literaly to incite those of us who love our country. As a PGR member I cannot do to these people what in my heart I would like to them. With that being said I will continue to Stand the Flag line.
Yes, yes they would protest the firefighters etc. if they thought it would get more press. Shirley is just a sad overgrown little girl who parrots what her daddy says to make him love her. awwww...that's so sweet. When you're 5. She has never been recorded to have said a single sentence that he didn't say word for word first. The man is a psycho and I have deep sympathy for his family, because you can't really help what your family teaches you.
That said, they do have the right to be the idiots they are.
Well said Tom.

I am not a "lawyer",as many of the Phelps-klux-klan are, but a friend of mine brought up a point that may be worth looking into.
That point is, that if an announcement for the funeral is made in a "PUBLIC" form, it becomes "PUBLIC", and then the UG'S (uninvited guests) can protest it. If the funeral directors or who ever makes the announcement, could word it differently, to only invite family, friends and invited guests, that might put a kink in their right to protest.

I will still be standing the flag line either way.

HONOR-RESPECT-PROTECT
SHOT
Kansas Patriot Guard
Patriot Guard Riders
Having stood in and am now walking the flag lines of proud Patriot Guard, ALR, and Patriot Guard Riders I have to agree with Klem, that they should be thanked, without them the spirit of patriotism would not have been awakened in so many to do the right thing, yes the inbreds have the legal right to protest but do they have the moral right? When their time on earth is done they will be answering to a higher power, I would not care to be in those shoes at that time. And to answer some of the other questions, yes they do protest at firefighter, police, miners and any other funeral they think they can gain media attention. How sad to be so pathetic to need/crave that much attention to cause the kind of pain to already suffering families. I hope they never have to experience that kind of pain, I would not wish that upon anyone...even them. I will continue to stand proud doing the right thing, when invited as we are invited guests, with or without their presence as they are no longer relevant to what we do!!

Emporia Ride Captian
Patriot Guard Riders
fuquari
Proud Member
Patriot Guard
They also protest concerts, the Police station, and various churches in Topeka.
Also will appear on sidwalks for an hour or so.

Fuquari hit it on the head when she said they do it for attention. I think the thing that worrys me the most is the fact that they must have a large support from somewhere to be able to travel as much as they do for the protest. Who would support something like this?

Klem
Klem,
My understanding is as I said in post above is that they incite and then sue those people that attack them. They live on litigation.
Bill
PGRNY
www.patriotguard.org
www.pgrny.org
i think we all should visit their so called church as one big group . and i almost would bet they would not let us attend their service even if we came in peace / for God duty honor and country
Gotta love Kansas!
March 22, 2008 11:21 am
I don't know what surprises me more:
That this crazy crazy crazy lady has the internet, that she is a lawyer, or that spends her time looking at the bulletin
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I wonder if this link made the Phelps family annual "One Shining Moment" highlight reel:
http://www.break.com/index/crazy_phelps_family_on_tyra.html
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Forget Byrd Bridge! Next Halloween, lets go to WBC! I'll bring the camera!

Well, Obama is looking for a new church? Whadayasay Barak? That would make a funny Southpark Episode!
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As an earlier person posted? Where does this family get it's financial support?
What crack are you smoking WBC??
March 23, 2008 5:21 pm
Drug users and Drunks ALWAYS have the money to support their bad habits. They Kill, Steal, Blackmail, Manipulate, Forge and Rape to support their habit. It is their only way of surviving. They don't have to buy groceries, their drugs and alcohol sustain them, even though they are rotting from the inside out.
Patriot Guard Rider & Proud Of It!!
March 23, 2008 5:56 pm
I will always serve, support, honor and respect all of our troops, young, old, past, present and future. I am always offering a shoulder to cry on, arms wide open for support, ears to listen to people when they need to talk to someone. And also have the right to REFUSE service to people. Those people, (and I use that word with room to spare)
are you WBC. What I don't get, is why you Attack civillians. In light of the MoDot Funeral, What did he do to you to get such disrespect?? You detest any and every person that is not in your so called group. It doesn't matter their race, creed, religion, the job they work or have chosen. Heck, you probably through a fit if a kid slides down a slide backwards or doesn't put their kickstand down on their bike. Nothing would suprise me any. Why don't you just do the rest of us a favor, and stay in your little corrupt community and leave the rest of the world alone. In a simple term, consider yourselves grounded, don't even come out of your room (houses). There is a whole lot of proud supporting familes, (like couple of a hundred million, maybe even billion) that don't agree with you, that think you have totally fell off of your rockers. You are the ones that need help in every way possible. God help you all. I'll be praying for you.
Patriot Guard Rider and Proud of it. Love Frog
I wonder if the clan googles their name everyday to see where they are being talked about. I hope, for everyone's sake, that the inbreeding will stop one day over at the WBC or that the group will be shut down. You know what would be funny? If someone protests Old Man Phelp's funeral, which should come anytime soon as he is ancient, the same way they do others, which this would have been illegal if this law had not been ruled unconstitutional. I believe the Patriot Guard is doing a great thing standing up for the troops and others.
Senioritis needs to go back to Junior High. "he started it...so it's ok!" High-level thought process there.
I am usually strong on the defense of freedom and ones right to assemble and speak their mind openly. But these people are going way to far! They are teh absolute extreeme and we can not and should not tolerate this behavior another day. I am willing and I am sure the vast majority of americans would be also willing to give up a small amount of freedom to shut these people up and give those who greave the right to mourn in peace without these lunatics shouting obscenity at them. So lets pass the laws that will make it a criminal act to protest a funerals. I think instead of 150 feet away they should be banned within 1500 feet of the church and they should have not be alowed at all until 15 minutes after the serivce has concluded. No more allowing Freds lunatic family all the rights and denying the families of loved ones who have died to suffer. I/we should if necessary give up a little freedom for this cause. We have given up rights for far less noble reasons. So Fred,Shirly, and the rest of the lunatic's from Kansas will have to shut up or go to jail!!!
The Patriot Guard is a joke. Their presence is nothing more than an excuse for unemployed boys to boom around on their choppers, dressed like clowns, desperate for someone to notice them. I am not sure who wants more attention: the turds picketing or the turds on bikes making faces at the turds picketing. Most of them are too fat to stand so they lean menacingly on their choppers while the cracks of their asses hang out the back of their jeans. This goof troop needs a better hobby . . . don't they have some tots that need toys or some drugs to deal, leather to buy, even a new tattoo??

They have resorted to participating in these freakshows with the WBC because they're not the one percenters they would like to think they are. In fact, they need WAY more attention and approval than the rest of us and are willing to do anything to get it. I guess the antisocial behavior doesn't get the same milage that it once did. Nope, now everyone is sporting a stupid earring and bad attitude, so joining the circus that the WBC has created is the best fix to repair the weak egos. Sad world we live in. And in the end the people that suffer are the same ones that would have suffered with or without the circus that has followed them to the funeral. WBC and bullshit bikers here's a little tip for ya: find a life . . . we don't care where but find one.
I commend the Patriot Guard.
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