Striking-down of funeral protest law is good for everyone
Fred Phelps and the rest of the Westboro Baptist Church have been known for picketing outside of funerals. The state of Kansas tried to put a law forth that would prevent them from doing so.
This law was struck down according to an article published by the Associated Press. Even though the Westboro Baptist Church is disrespectful to the family and friends that attend the funerals, this law would be unconstitutional.
They have the right to picket and express their views as any other American. This law goes against their first amendment rights because it limits the church’s right to freedom of speech. I know that what the church is doing is a disrespectful way to get their point across, but they have the right to do it.
I am not condoning this church in any way. I personally think that they go about it in the wrong ways. The church has picketed outside of openly gay individual’s funerals and funerals of fallen soldiers.
This law, if passed, would have made limitations that said protests could not be held within 150 feet one hour before and one hour after a funeral. It also would have stopped protesters from blocking public streets and sidewalks.
This limitation would let friends and families say goodbye without being hounded. But this law would not have stopped them from protesting and may have made things worse.
We allow protests against wars because people feel it’s wrong or that the U.S. is fighting a war unnecessarily. So why should we be allowed to say that the Westboro Baptist Church cannot protest against what they feel is wrong?
If we say that they can not protest what they think is wrong, then others should not be able protest against something they feel is wrong. We can not take away one group’s rights without looking at others who participate in similar activities.
A way to stop them that would not be against their first amendment rights would be for the press not to give them coverage when they protest. They love to be in the news because they think it helps get their views out there. So if the press does not give them the coverage, they might go away. Of course, it may not work, but taking away their right to protest may not make things better either. They’ll just find some other way to get their views out there.
Again, I’m not condoning their views and the ways they express them, but I do think it’s against their first amendment rights to say they can not express them. They are Americans and should have the same rights to freedom of speech as the rest of us.
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43 Responses to "Striking-down of funeral protest law is good for everyone"
March 15, 2008 8:07 am
Have a lovely day!!
Shirley Phelps-Roper
March 15, 2008 11:31 am
No need to reply Shirley & clan, I already know you will tell me I am damned for eternity.
March 15, 2008 11:47 am
March 15, 2008 11:54 am
The sad part about all of this is that the WBC doesn't realize that GOD himself gave every human being Freedom of Choose! Freedom to choose God or not. So who the heck are they to infringe on God's design???
Don't even get me started on the way they choose to spread "their" version of God's mighty matchless word.
May I suggest they invest in a couple of concordances, hebrew & greek translations????
Although I see where this ruling came from, I don't agree with it. The law was not taking away their 1st amendment, it was only calling funerals OFF LIMITS. It wasn't just for the WBS - the law would have been enforced for ANY person or Group protesting at funerals. This is where I see this ruling fell short
March 15, 2008 12:10 pm
March 15, 2008 12:12 pm
March 15, 2008 12:14 pm
March 15, 2008 12:15 pm
In one respect they have created a lot of good from the standpoint they have united many Americans to show support to those who have lost loved ones in defense of this country.
Jeremy, I'm sure you're too young to remember it but every right, light and benefit you enjoy as an American was paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of others.
God Bless the USA and who cares about the fringe group from KS? They are the Christian equivalent of the radical Muslims.
March 15, 2008 1:45 pm
Pedofiles are prohibited from living near schools, cheaters are banned from Big Time casinos, cigarettes are not sold to minors, Children are not allowed to hang out in casinos...and some places reserve the right to kick you out at their dicrestion - you know like for being a bum.
Laws are funny things, eh?
Sreaming "Tornado" in a crowed theatre...Protest all you want down at the corner, say about 500' away kinda like the distance required between a church and a bar and a school...which maybe they should all be closer, no?
Can a cemetary reserve to let bums in?
Can a funeral home out think a pack of raccoons that keeps raiding their lawn care shed?
March 15, 2008 2:34 pm
I even read and re-read Shirley-Phelps Roper's words several times trying to find at least some small truth in her words. I finally found something that I believe to be truth (but not necessarily in the way she said it). She said, "...you called yourselves ignoring us..." I'm afraid that's just what we've done (me too). We have only called ourselves ignoring them. If we were truly ignoring them (like we should), we (including me) wouldn't bother to post these comments, but we do.
I praise God for every soldier we have and I praise God for the blessing of being born in, and being a citizen of, the greatest country on earth - the United States of America. I do not like some of the things taking place in our country, but she is still the best of the best!!
God bless the USA.
March 15, 2008 2:47 pm
If the IED was detonated in your church would it be GOD SENT?
AMERICAN SOLDIER OUT
March 15, 2008 4:02 pm
March 15, 2008 4:37 pm
In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
March 15, 2008 5:46 pm
March 15, 2008 6:06 pm
Many times I have stood between you and the family of a soldier that died for your "FREEDOM" to protest.
I will continue to do so.
KANSAS PATRIOT GUARD
PATRIOT GUARD RIDERS
March 15, 2008 8:01 pm
March 15, 2008 10:02 pm
March 15, 2008 10:39 pm
March 16, 2008 12:29 am
March 16, 2008 10:07 am
I cant understand why the W.B.C. cant direct thier efforts to the social issue that burden so many Americans here at home daily. Never had the privaledge of serving, But thank god and each of you who did for doing so.
March 16, 2008 10:17 am
Perhaps the proposed legislation missed the mark as well.
So, I say to the lawmakers, re-think your approach. Other legislation has withstood the test and has been successfully passed into law without being deemed unconstitutional.
Be that as it may, NO one should be permitted to interfere with a solemn ceremony in which the deceased.. in this case, some of our brave heroes.. are being honored.
Unless and until the law of the land prevents Phelps and his gang of demented thugs from disrespecting people and THEIR rights, we should do all we can to do so ourselves.
I will.
Richard - Patriot Guard Rider
Standing for those who Stood for Us.
March 16, 2008 4:42 pm
March 16, 2008 7:03 pm
March 16, 2008 9:16 pm
March 16, 2008 9:29 pm
March 17, 2008 1:07 pm
If you insist on making this a First Amendment issue, you may want to familiarize yourself with the fighting words doctrine. It states, "There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality." This was enacted in response to another religious zealot, by the way.
This cult has been playing the religion card for years. It's time for them to stop exploiting the freedoms that you and I enjoy.
March 17, 2008 1:53 pm
March 17, 2008 3:28 pm
That said, they do have the right to be the idiots they are.
March 17, 2008 6:34 pm
I am not a "lawyer",as many of the Phelps-klux-klan are, but a friend of mine brought up a point that may be worth looking into.
That point is, that if an announcement for the funeral is made in a "PUBLIC" form, it becomes "PUBLIC", and then the UG'S (uninvited guests) can protest it. If the funeral directors or who ever makes the announcement, could word it differently, to only invite family, friends and invited guests, that might put a kink in their right to protest.
I will still be standing the flag line either way.
HONOR-RESPECT-PROTECT
SHOT
Kansas Patriot Guard
Patriot Guard Riders
March 18, 2008 9:36 am
Emporia Ride Captian
Patriot Guard Riders
fuquari
Proud Member
Patriot Guard
March 19, 2008 9:05 am
Also will appear on sidwalks for an hour or so.
Fuquari hit it on the head when she said they do it for attention. I think the thing that worrys me the most is the fact that they must have a large support from somewhere to be able to travel as much as they do for the protest. Who would support something like this?
Klem
March 19, 2008 9:48 am
My understanding is as I said in post above is that they incite and then sue those people that attack them. They live on litigation.
Bill
PGRNY
www.patriotguard.org
www.pgrny.org
March 20, 2008 9:56 pm
March 22, 2008 11:21 am
That this crazy crazy crazy lady has the internet, that she is a lawyer, or that spends her time looking at the bulletin
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I wonder if this link made the Phelps family annual "One Shining Moment" highlight reel:
http://www.break.com/index/crazy_phelps_family_on_tyra.html
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Forget Byrd Bridge! Next Halloween, lets go to WBC! I'll bring the camera!
Well, Obama is looking for a new church? Whadayasay Barak? That would make a funny Southpark Episode!
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As an earlier person posted? Where does this family get it's financial support?
March 23, 2008 5:21 pm
March 23, 2008 5:56 pm
are you WBC. What I don't get, is why you Attack civillians. In light of the MoDot Funeral, What did he do to you to get such disrespect?? You detest any and every person that is not in your so called group. It doesn't matter their race, creed, religion, the job they work or have chosen. Heck, you probably through a fit if a kid slides down a slide backwards or doesn't put their kickstand down on their bike. Nothing would suprise me any. Why don't you just do the rest of us a favor, and stay in your little corrupt community and leave the rest of the world alone. In a simple term, consider yourselves grounded, don't even come out of your room (houses). There is a whole lot of proud supporting familes, (like couple of a hundred million, maybe even billion) that don't agree with you, that think you have totally fell off of your rockers. You are the ones that need help in every way possible. God help you all. I'll be praying for you.
Patriot Guard Rider and Proud of it. Love Frog
March 24, 2008 2:13 am
March 24, 2008 9:16 am
March 25, 2008 1:17 pm
April 13, 2008 11:57 pm
They have resorted to participating in these freakshows with the WBC because they're not the one percenters they would like to think they are. In fact, they need WAY more attention and approval than the rest of us and are willing to do anything to get it. I guess the antisocial behavior doesn't get the same milage that it once did. Nope, now everyone is sporting a stupid earring and bad attitude, so joining the circus that the WBC has created is the best fix to repair the weak egos. Sad world we live in. And in the end the people that suffer are the same ones that would have suffered with or without the circus that has followed them to the funeral. WBC and bullshit bikers here's a little tip for ya: find a life . . . we don't care where but find one.
April 14, 2008 1:03 pm
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